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	<title>Comments on: Yet more on ALDI (and what people don&#8217;t want in their backyards)</title>
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	<description>I&#039;m Ellen Smith, member of the Oak Ridge City Council. Thank you for visiting my blog and reading my views on public and private life in and around Oak Ridge, Tennessee. This website is my own; content here does not represent the official policies or views of the City of Oak Ridge. To add your own comments, click on the topic title to open a comment box. To read posts about a particular topic, scroll down to &#34;Categories&#34; (in the sidebar) or use the &#34;Search&#34; box in the sidebar. Look under &#34;Archives&#34; to see collections of past posts organized by date.</description>
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		<title>By: Olaf K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olaf K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldnâ€™t pay a quarter to rent a shopping cart, because, I bought my liftetime quarters at http://www.cartquarter.com I can use them always and forever and never ever have to ask for Change or digging for a quarter in my wallet again. Itâ€™s great and good to know that people have smart ideas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldnâ€™t pay a quarter to rent a shopping cart, because, I bought my liftetime quarters at <a href="http://www.cartquarter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cartquarter.com</a> I can use them always and forever and never ever have to ask for Change or digging for a quarter in my wallet again. Itâ€™s great and good to know that people have smart ideas</p>
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		<title>By: chioma adaku-griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>chioma adaku-griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in knowing your thoughts of Scarboro Community and why more efforts have not been made by local politicians to secure funding for the various diseases caused by waste to this community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in knowing your thoughts of Scarboro Community and why more efforts have not been made by local politicians to secure funding for the various diseases caused by waste to this community.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Kircher</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-4237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did a pseudonym say something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did a pseudonym say something?</p>
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		<title>By: CrackerNation</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrackerNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure anyone can get that, Ray.  Let&#039;s break it down.  My questions that you are responding to are: Who was this unnamed person or persons (pushing through the ALDI project)? Whose agenda is so threatening to you? Are you just opposed to all progress?

You said: &lt;b&gt;Off the bat you are unnamed.&lt;/b&gt;
Actually my name is CrackerNation.

You said: &lt;b&gt;Flying through the air are my questions. I see you are no leader, as is ALDI in providing what City of Oak Ridge should strive to be, a citizen friendly community. As long as our leaders act out ignorance to our questions and leave them unanswered, our continued problems with criminals and more students failing in the flawed system of our school board (it is their system, ask any state or federal official) will be the forefront of how the rest of the nation sees us.&lt;/b&gt;
Are you saying the the School Board was pushing through the ALDI project?

You said: &lt;b&gt;All officials need to answer questions from citizens no matter how simple, complex, or retarded the question or their answer may seem. It is the basis of progress, and you are willing to deny our citizenâ€™s questions and move ahead. I assume you are the one with an agenda, and that is taxpayer money.&lt;/b&gt;
I take you are saying that even if only retarded questions remain, no progress should be made?

You see, you and I have a different perspective on this.  I believe that elected officials and appointed commissioners have a duty to perform.  If you raise a question and are unsatisfied with the answer but the folks doing the voting are satisfied, they do not need to bring you along.  They have a job to do and if you are just being (hypothetically) obstructionist, they should not cave in to that.  Once they understand and are satisfied, they should vote.  There is no conspiracy involved.  They are just doing their duty.

The public is informed through the public meetings that are held to consider these matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure anyone can get that, Ray.  Let&#8217;s break it down.  My questions that you are responding to are: Who was this unnamed person or persons (pushing through the ALDI project)? Whose agenda is so threatening to you? Are you just opposed to all progress?</p>
<p>You said: <b>Off the bat you are unnamed.</b><br />
Actually my name is CrackerNation.</p>
<p>You said: <b>Flying through the air are my questions. I see you are no leader, as is ALDI in providing what City of Oak Ridge should strive to be, a citizen friendly community. As long as our leaders act out ignorance to our questions and leave them unanswered, our continued problems with criminals and more students failing in the flawed system of our school board (it is their system, ask any state or federal official) will be the forefront of how the rest of the nation sees us.</b><br />
Are you saying the the School Board was pushing through the ALDI project?</p>
<p>You said: <b>All officials need to answer questions from citizens no matter how simple, complex, or retarded the question or their answer may seem. It is the basis of progress, and you are willing to deny our citizenâ€™s questions and move ahead. I assume you are the one with an agenda, and that is taxpayer money.</b><br />
I take you are saying that even if only retarded questions remain, no progress should be made?</p>
<p>You see, you and I have a different perspective on this.  I believe that elected officials and appointed commissioners have a duty to perform.  If you raise a question and are unsatisfied with the answer but the folks doing the voting are satisfied, they do not need to bring you along.  They have a job to do and if you are just being (hypothetically) obstructionist, they should not cave in to that.  Once they understand and are satisfied, they should vote.  There is no conspiracy involved.  They are just doing their duty.</p>
<p>The public is informed through the public meetings that are held to consider these matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Kircher</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-4153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CrackerNation:

Off the bat you are unnamed. Flying through the air are my questions. I see you are no leader, as is ALDI in providing what City of Oak Ridge should strive to be, a citizen friendly community. As long as our leaders act out ignorance to our questions and leave them unanswered, our continued problems with criminals and more students failing in the flawed system of our school board (it is their system, ask any state or federal official) will be the forefront of how the rest of the nation sees us.

All officials need to answer questions from citizens no matter how simple, complex, or retarded the question or their answer may seem. It is the basis of progress, and you are willing to deny our citizenâ€™s questions and move ahead. I assume you are the one with an agenda, and that is taxpayer money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CrackerNation:</p>
<p>Off the bat you are unnamed. Flying through the air are my questions. I see you are no leader, as is ALDI in providing what City of Oak Ridge should strive to be, a citizen friendly community. As long as our leaders act out ignorance to our questions and leave them unanswered, our continued problems with criminals and more students failing in the flawed system of our school board (it is their system, ask any state or federal official) will be the forefront of how the rest of the nation sees us.</p>
<p>All officials need to answer questions from citizens no matter how simple, complex, or retarded the question or their answer may seem. It is the basis of progress, and you are willing to deny our citizenâ€™s questions and move ahead. I assume you are the one with an agenda, and that is taxpayer money.</p>
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		<title>By: CrackerNation</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrackerNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, this doesn&#039;t make much sense either.  When you say the plan is being pushed through, you must have a concept of someone pushing it through.  Who was this unnamed person or persons?  Whose agenda is so threatening to you?  Are you just opposed to all progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, this doesn&#8217;t make much sense either.  When you say the plan is being pushed through, you must have a concept of someone pushing it through.  Who was this unnamed person or persons?  Whose agenda is so threatening to you?  Are you just opposed to all progress?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Kircher</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-4010</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Kircher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CrackerNation, you must be the only one with that assumption. Ellen is an elected official and has more information than you assume. Your immature nature to political science is again telling. I will assume every day you go home and cry that someone with a thinking process higher than yours is a City of Oak Ridge Councilwoman.

This plan is being pushed through without even a whimper from you as to why we need it. I have asked many questions, yet your office has refused to email me your response. I went through this before; when I get a response, your office says we have already made the decision. CrackerNation, your bored housewife exposed the myrmidon that you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CrackerNation, you must be the only one with that assumption. Ellen is an elected official and has more information than you assume. Your immature nature to political science is again telling. I will assume every day you go home and cry that someone with a thinking process higher than yours is a City of Oak Ridge Councilwoman.</p>
<p>This plan is being pushed through without even a whimper from you as to why we need it. I have asked many questions, yet your office has refused to email me your response. I went through this before; when I get a response, your office says we have already made the decision. CrackerNation, your bored housewife exposed the myrmidon that you are.</p>
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		<title>By: CrackerNation</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>CrackerNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I have read your comments and have not seen any collaboration of your impressions from the officials considering the issues.  After all, they considered the questions and voted approval.  Without any information to the contrary, I must assume that they were happy with their action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have read your comments and have not seen any collaboration of your impressions from the officials considering the issues.  After all, they considered the questions and voted approval.  Without any information to the contrary, I must assume that they were happy with their action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Smith</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-3827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cracker, I was at all three meetings at which city boards acted on the proposal. Were you there, too? My comments about the incomplete information available to these groups (posted here on July 2) were based on my observations at those meetings, as follows:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Traffic Safety Advisory Board members saw the traffic access plan for the first time at the meeting where they discussed it and recommended approval. They did not seem very comfortable handling the proposal in that manner, but they were concerned that they needed to act that same evening in order to be able to give a recommendation to City Council by July 16th â€” without having to meet a second time. Thatâ€™s not the way that citizen advisory boards are supposed to operate â€” they are supposed to be able to study the issues in the context of their specialized area of expertise more thoroughly than City Council could, not less thoroughly.

Similarly, members of the Planning Commission had limited time to review the project before they took action. Legible plans were distributed for the first time at the work session, which was not well attended, meaning that some members did not see the materials until the commission meeting where the project was approved. No one from Aldi was available to answer questions until that final planning commission meeting. The hurried nature of the process is underlined by some confusion that emerged during that planning commission meeting. Some or all planning commission members and some neighborhood residents had been told that semi-trailers would remain at the Aldi loading dock around the clock (causing much of the concern about aesthetics), but shortly before the final vote the Aldi rep at the meeting said that was incorrect. What other uncorrected misconceptions do city staff, officials, and citizens have about this project?&lt;/blockquote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cracker, I was at all three meetings at which city boards acted on the proposal. Were you there, too? My comments about the incomplete information available to these groups (posted here on July 2) were based on my observations at those meetings, as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Traffic Safety Advisory Board members saw the traffic access plan for the first time at the meeting where they discussed it and recommended approval. They did not seem very comfortable handling the proposal in that manner, but they were concerned that they needed to act that same evening in order to be able to give a recommendation to City Council by July 16th â€” without having to meet a second time. Thatâ€™s not the way that citizen advisory boards are supposed to operate â€” they are supposed to be able to study the issues in the context of their specialized area of expertise more thoroughly than City Council could, not less thoroughly.</p>
<p>Similarly, members of the Planning Commission had limited time to review the project before they took action. Legible plans were distributed for the first time at the work session, which was not well attended, meaning that some members did not see the materials until the commission meeting where the project was approved. No one from Aldi was available to answer questions until that final planning commission meeting. The hurried nature of the process is underlined by some confusion that emerged during that planning commission meeting. Some or all planning commission members and some neighborhood residents had been told that semi-trailers would remain at the Aldi loading dock around the clock (causing much of the concern about aesthetics), but shortly before the final vote the Aldi rep at the meeting said that was incorrect. What other uncorrected misconceptions do city staff, officials, and citizens have about this project?</blockquote</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: CrackerNation</title>
		<link>http://ellensmith.org/blog/2007/06/25/yet-more-on-aldi-and-what-people-dont-want-in-their-backyards/comment-page-1/#comment-3808</link>
		<dc:creator>CrackerNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there is no indication that the various bodies were not well-informed on the particulars of this project that concerned them.  After all, they each considered and voted on the project and have referred it on.

Ray, what do you mean by &quot;labeling me in his words?&quot;  If you mean do I think you are asking for delays when you keep saying that government should act slowly?  Yes, I am labeling you as a &quot;delay asker.&quot;  Do you have a problem with that?  I even suspect that you have an ulterior motive although I have not talked about my suspicions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there is no indication that the various bodies were not well-informed on the particulars of this project that concerned them.  After all, they each considered and voted on the project and have referred it on.</p>
<p>Ray, what do you mean by &#8220;labeling me in his words?&#8221;  If you mean do I think you are asking for delays when you keep saying that government should act slowly?  Yes, I am labeling you as a &#8220;delay asker.&#8221;  Do you have a problem with that?  I even suspect that you have an ulterior motive although I have not talked about my suspicions.</p>
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